Come to Denver, pretty boy, I’ll trap you, twist you up in one and listen to you screams of surrender…only after I work the sack of yours while wrenched back good and deep and tight….yum.
Full nelson since I was about 13. But also love double armbar, rnc, cobra, camel, crab, headscissors, bearhug, triangle choke, and double reverse leg grapevine.
Whether for sheer domination and wearing an opponent down to zero resistance with prolonged punishment, or for rapid submission, my fully seated Boston Crab has become a favourite of mine. The guy underneath is helpless once I have it locked on. Love applying it, love receiving it. The most crushingly painful hold I know.
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I enjoy the guillotine. It's an excellent choke hold. It works well from standing or from knees (parre terre). It's very efficient with your right forearm pressed against his neck (jugular) while your right bicep flexes thereby pressing against his other jugular on his neck. For added pressure if applying the hold while standing, a slight hip pop in the forward direction will finish him off (force the tap-out, or knock him out). Like i said , it's efficient.
I agree, I started using it as an alternative t when I could not get an arm triangle, using it even in gi. When it is safe would love to practice these techniques with any resident or visitor to Las Vegas. I find it harder to get right than the arm triangle but once i get it and flex as applying it the tap usually comes fast.
Depends on whether I'm applying or receiving. I've won matches with arm bars. Two holds I like, that I've both won and lost with, are sleepers and headscissors/triangle chokes. And when wrestling as a good guy/babyface in pro matches, being placed in a bear hug can be fun.
I like the "mousetrap" series as it gives you 3submissions from a similar setup, if his arm is like the statue of liberty, the Americana if at 90 degrees to the body the straight arm lock, and if facing towards his legs (bent elbow), the kimura.
Sorry, buddy... I think your description of yourself as a total jobber makes it clear we wouldn't make a good match. However, I do wish for you many awesome matches with guys whose styles match yours well! :-)
Have to agree with most of these... with a few exceptions that reflect my body type and game:
Bottom half... if the opponent underhooks, armbar that arm (might work, but even if it doesn't, it makes it hard to flatten you if he is afraid of it.) I like bottom half.
I agree with the arm triangle from guard, it does work! Nice to see real holds and moves now showing in this thread instead of the "pro" junk and scripted nonsense moves.
awesome hold! love to watch the person receiving really beg to release it. and watching the giver, just squeeze it on and watch that smile of alpha. Never done or been but want to try
I love to see a guy slap on the banana split. Painful hold. But when it's slapped on a tough guy who refuses to quit and it's held for a long time. ..that's great!!!
Do u also use the related moves that u can switch to from the banana
split such as the electric chair, the spladle, twister (wrestling guillotine), and the truck. I find switching back and forth to these quite effective.
sounds like most of my matches with my local buddies. All tough guys but when we wrestle or have serious matches I always end up manhandling them. Chokes, slaps and some roughhousing are my magic recipe to tame strong guys. I wish there were more guys from this site in the Caribbean.
I would love to be trapped in a long held face in crotch head scissors, and face sit me to sub and if I
do sub keep me in until either I passout or I tap out like 12 times.
Triangle choke is really bad ass! watching the worry in the takers eyes is awesome, really making the giver feeling superior. Gonna hve to try this and perfect it
I have wrestled for submissions in past matches (not promission or pro fantasy - both were trying to defeat the other)and the camel clutch has been applied by and to me without it being a pro style match or pretend. While I understand where some of these serious submission wrestlers are coming from, some of their comments are inaccurate and border on snobbish. I even saw a competitive MMA match a few months ago where a version of a Boston crab was used for a submission. These holds be used rarely in MMA/grappling but they are submission holds.
Triangle choke is my favorite. In this choke I can usually see and gauge the amount of pressure/pain by the look on my opponent's face and the color of his face. Also, it feels dominant to have his head in my lap.
I weigh around 160. Wrestled a guy who weighs at least 230, probably more. He applied a camel clutch. He went completely shoot(real). I guarantee I was tapping in less than 15 seconds!
People may make the mistake of putting it in this thread. I for one look at the thread title, not the category, as I guess many others have with his one. Whilst camel sleepers, for example, are not how you would define 'submission hold,' It IS classed as a hold in pro-mission, give and take, pro, and many more. Instead of being quite rude, why don't you suggest a different group on where they can discuss said holds. And for some, camel sleeps are not a fetish, quite a few like that style of wrestling and are straight, or pro wrestlers. Gary
The problem is that "pr": wrestling is not wrestling entertainment. It is preplanned, choregraphed, and not real. Yes you need to be athletic as do all stunt men, but it is so obviously fake. Thrashing a guy in a "sleeper" and taking close to a minute to put him out and then he stays out still on the mat for a while, It doesn't happen that way. sleeper takes seconds to work, and sometimes the person jumps around (convulses) especially if not released right away. This "entertainment" has given real wrestling a very bad name I am glad the group owner is keeping this out of the group.
Sorry, but the single leg boston is a very real and effective submission hold. I have used it in many competitive submission matches and I have seen it taught in Krav Maga. You can apply it by starting from a standing achilles ankle lock which forces the opponent to lift his hips to take pressure off his ankle. It is then very easy to flip them onto their stomach and sit down to apply the single leg boston.
Once on, the hold is very effective and painful and it can be easily used to control or submit a much larger/stronger opponent.
About schoolboy and facesit pin in erotic men wrestle: I liked the facesit or schoolboy pin since my coming out (to notice I am bi, I also like men) in my youth (with about 16 years old): If the winner sits on the losers chest with his knees on his arms, the loser has almost no chance to get out, the winner can humilate and dominate the loser with words, also with scenes like raising arms, flexing and victory pose, or even strangle loser cause winner has his hands free (if losers arms are good pinned by winners knees).
The winner can force the loser to suck his dick while pinned, the winner can reach back and jerk the loser. Also good variation is reverse pin, winner sitting with his ass in front of or even on losers face, and in that positing loser has no chance if winner jerks him, loser has to cum. As I am bi, and my wife also likes me to wrestle other guys for her, schoolboy pin is a perfect way to win: she can come over and jerk and even suck the winners dick right in front of losers face, THAT is humilating. I think, and my wife also, schoolboy pin is the ONLY good hold to WIN......
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My favorite would have to be the sleeper. First time I used it was on my cousin. We were both 14, and he had challenged me before, but being fitter than me made it a challenge to beat him. This time though I just tackled him straight to the ground. After only a short tussle I had him locked in and tapping. It's also always been fun to try and escape.
Second would have to be the triangle. I've only done it once, but I got lucky that a friend of mine didn't think I could pull it off. That was the quickest tap I've ever had.
Triangle Choke, gogoplata, arm bars and americanas are my most effective submissions, have a few others i like but those are my best, flashy variants such as the flying armbar are also a speciality
mine is the double armbar with a figure-4 head pin! Am very upset that recently it was made an illegal move in high school competition. So many high school wrestlers liked to use this move to devastating effect! Very very sad indeed. Stupid ruling.....
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all holds where you are trapped with your head close to your opponent's armpits, thighs, butt or cock... especially facesit, facepin, figure 4 headlock, headscissor, etc... it shows who is the Master!
My favorite number one hold is the side bodyscissor. If applied correctly,you can really squeeze down on your opponent without exerting much strength. I have very strong legs. Once I have it locked on another guy, I can squeeze him till he either passes out or submits!
My favourite hold is the leg sleeper. I am resistant but as a jobber I like being trapped into the legs of my opponents and slowly sleepered. Has any one any experience in leg sleepers ?
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FIGURE FOUR LEG SLEEPER!!This move looks great but I find it hard to get oponent in the right position to apply. The guy here makes it look so easy, anybody got any tips on how to apply?
There is another version of the figure 4 arm triangle from the back that appears to be the same. It is easier to get to, but I'm assuming that the setup is the same.
Starting from the Back, with both hooks in, and a seat belt grip across your opponents chest.
Grab your opponents wrist and trap it under one of your legs.
Slide your leg up to your opponents neck and hold it there by grabbing your ankle with your same side hand over his shoulder. (ie .. left foot used, left hand used)
This should trap your opponents arm above his head.
Next lock your knee over your ankle, and squeeze.
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I assume that the leg triangle is a similar setup to this, by trapping the arms below the legs, either one at a time or both. This would leave your opposite side hand free to grab your ankle while you lock your knee into place.
I've had the best results from the armbar, but am always looking for new ways to make my opponents submit. Can anyone direct me to some decent videos that might show various holds?
Enjoy many variants of the Arm Bar mainly to feel the Bicep of My Opponent Resisting as I Hold the Arm Bar for the Muscle Strain! (Not so much interested in the joint lock here)
First one is the Good old Standard Arm Bar, Opponent on his Back Arm Set Between Legs and My Arms Across His Wrist! Than "hang" My Upper Body weight back as His Bicep Strains to do sort of an Arm Curl as he is Resisting!
Another Arm Bar I really Love is an Inverted Arm Bar Resistance Hold! This one is where my opponent is face down on the mats Arm Out, Palm Down and Crook of the Elbow up say 10 Inches off the Mat! Than I cross Mount Him with My Pelvis on his Tricep Muscle, Legs "hanging" on either Side of His Forearm and Wrist and Chest Across His Back! His Goal is to Resist as Long as He Can While Bearing My Wight!
NOTE! Be Very Careful with Either one of these as not to put your Opponent in any Danger of hyper extending their Elbow! Do all movements safely and slowly! By being Safe I have had A LOT of Fun and No Injuries to me or My Opponents!
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my fav. hold is the figure 4 headlock, not often aplied it but i love to put my opponent in it ;) Pic is not mine
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I was training yesterday and am once again reinforced that the triangle choke is my favorite :)
There actually is a third variation that I missed before (the first two being from the guard position and from the mount position)! The one I missed is called inverted triangle choke and is harder to apply than the other two because you need to get behind your opponent first, either sitting behind the opponent, or sitting on his back. Assuming that you're pinning him face down, you need to work the (e.g.) right leg under the chin and the left shoulder, hook it under your left knee, and then apply pressure. A LOT of pressure :)
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My favourite hold to be punished in is the body scissors. I think this stems from an experience when I was about 20 years old. I was going camping for a week at Steenbras Dam which supplies Cape Town with water. I invited the son of a neighbour to join me and he accepted my offer. He was four or five years my junior and I had ignored him as we grew up but he was then in a particularly muscular stage of development as he cycled everywhere, played rugby and so on.
During our week together I told him that I had just started training with weights at a local gym and was also going to learn to wrestle there. He took me by surprise and caught me in a body scissors. As I had not yet acquired any wrestling skills I didn't know how to escape from between his muscular thighs but he let me go when he said he saw my face turn blue.
Ever since then I am in ecstasy when caught in a body scissors between a pair of muscular legs.
Many years later a friend who was much bigger than me had me in a body scissors to my delight but after a while I submitted. He didn't let go. I said to him, "I've submitted. I've had enough" to which he replied, "Yes, but I haven't had enough"! This, I discovered, escalated my enjoyment to double ecstasy. Why? Perhaps because I was in a real fight situation rather than a game where I could turn the suffering off when I wanted to.
My favourite holds to apply on opponents are: the body scissors (of course), the Indian Deathlock (because it poses so many possibilities) and the double figure-four leg-lock because most opponents submit even before the hold is fully applied. LOL Yes, I'm sado-masochistic.
I think it would be most helpful if members describing new variations of holds could accompany their descriptions with photos of the stated stages of applying the hold. I find it difficult to visualise the descriptions without seeing the move at the same time. Nowadays with so many mobile phones having cameras built-in and pocket cameras it should not be difficult to do. It may present problems to the web-master, but not insoluble problems.
Guy that is getting choked out is able to defend, and pulls trapped arm out. Head is still trapped. I end up in this position frequently.
The guy who applies the triangle then uses his arm and grabs his own leg behind opponents neck, and applies a very uncomfy thight choke with arm and one leg. Other leg can even let go, but choke gets thighter if that legs stays in.
By the way, my favourite is the rear naked choke. Once applied no way out :) Thats submission wrestling to me! Besides, I was lucky enough to win my first "official" fight with that hold! Makes it my Number one!
My favorite hold is also the triangle choke. I know a 3rd possibilitie, to get it. You can get it also from the mount position, if you take one leg under the head of your partner and lock it down with your other leg. It`s easy to lock it while you sweap him in the same time.
And I love the mata leon (anaconda choke) from the back mount.
I love arm bars - especially when I realize I have the opportunity to apply one when I least expect to be able to. For example, the last unusual application (unusual to me anyway) was from a mount. Someone I had managed to get opponent's right arm behind my knee; I sat back on his abs and pulled the arm stretched out (somewhat crushing the arm). From this position, I lifted my left foot up a bit so that toes were on my opponent, just to the left of his groin. This had the effect of lifting my lower left leg a bit (at least at an angle as my knee was still on the mat). I then just pushed the guy's outstretched right arm down, leverage over the back of my lower left leg. Arm bar! Submission.
At the risk of looking like I'm talking to myself, I'll answer my own question. :)
My favorite technique is the triangle choke. It's a great hold, not very easy to apply, but once properly applied, it is even harder to escape. I can do two basic variations: one from the guard (when I'm on my back and have the other guy held between my legs) and one from the mount.
Sometimes it's actually easier to apply it from the guard when the other guy tries to pass your guard by pushing one of your legs over his head. The proper time is when your leg is past his shoulder, but not his head yet. If you manage to catch him at the right time, the hold basically applies himself. :)
Canuwrestle (11 )
6/18/2023 1:11 PMFull Nelson
Juggernaut (0)
8/31/2023 4:36 AM(In reply to this)
Easily. No drama or theatrics, and universally effective. Especially if you have the height advantage.
kcjobberboy (0)
6/17/2023 6:47 PMThis jobber likes being put in a camel/sleeper hold with hair pulls.
Kaidan30 (8 )
6/17/2023 6:46 PMHeadscissor
BJJWrestlerLasVegas (14)
6/17/2023 4:05 PMI have few favorite holds depending on the situation which are The RNC, Arm Triangle, N/S Choke, and The Electric Chair
Lkn4awrestletoy (107 )
6/15/2023 9:23 AMShort arm scissors (with or without a cross ankle choke)
Cravat
Horse collar
All three trip my triggers
ladron fr (52)
6/15/2023 7:37 AMTwister is terrific
Punchpacks (9)
6/15/2023 6:18 AMDouble fisted gutclaw
Lkn4awrestletoy (107 )
6/15/2023 9:23 AM(In reply to this)
Beg me to release it, boy
Sebastian Rosario (0)
6/14/2023 9:34 PMMexican surfboard.
Endurant (0)
6/06/2023 5:48 PM"Mother milk smother" with a huge heel is a total humiliation!
JobberOtter (15 )
4/08/2023 11:45 AMBoston crab, I LOVE being trapped in that hold 😍
Lkn4awrestletoy (107 )
6/15/2023 9:26 AM(In reply to this)
Come to Denver, pretty boy, I’ll trap you, twist you up in one and listen to you screams of surrender…only after I work the sack of yours while wrenched back good and deep and tight….yum.
JobberOtter (15 )
6/15/2023 9:37 AM(In reply to this)
I’d love to see you put those words into action my friend! Do your worst!
TennisDude216 (11)
4/08/2023 5:54 AMDragon Sleeper, love having my face shoved in a guys hot sweaty ripe pit
Lkn4awrestletoy (107 )
6/15/2023 9:28 AM(In reply to this)
When does your plane arrive at DIA, jobber boy…I’ll be sure not to shower before your arrival..Pits will be pungent just for you…
IKOYOU (3 )
4/08/2023 3:25 AMFull nelson since I was about 13. But also love double armbar, rnc, cobra, camel, crab, headscissors, bearhug, triangle choke, and double reverse leg grapevine.
Sergio-bodybuildermuscle (2 )
6/17/2023 10:42 AM(In reply to this)
Nelson is one of the best
Lkn4awrestletoy (107 )
6/15/2023 9:29 AM(In reply to this)
You sweet talker, you…love all of those…ya give yet big boy?
davey123 (69)
4/06/2023 12:51 PMWhether for sheer domination and wearing an opponent down to zero resistance with prolonged punishment, or for rapid submission, my fully seated Boston Crab has become a favourite of mine. The guy underneath is helpless once I have it locked on. Love applying it, love receiving it. The most crushingly painful hold I know. Please log in to view gallery photos.
Lkn4awrestletoy (107 )
6/15/2023 9:31 AM(In reply to this)
Wow, you really know how to treat a man right!!! Love that deep sit…what a rassler you are, D. My compliments.
Sergio-bodybuildermuscle (2 )
4/06/2023 1:28 PM(In reply to this)
Your hands on in inner thighs show how skilled and methodic you are . Good job / big fan
IKOYOU (3 )
4/08/2023 3:27 AM(In reply to this)
I agree…. The hands on the inner thighs is exactly how I apply it too. Straight men HATE that! Lol.
Lkn4awrestletoy (107 )
4/05/2023 3:56 PMShort arm scissors and all it’s varied combinations…no escape, jobbers!!!
Sergio-bodybuildermuscle (2 )
4/05/2023 4:08 PM(In reply to this)
Your side headdcissor combined with armbar is very good too ( your big calf help for scissoring )
Lkn4awrestletoy (107 )
4/05/2023 5:42 PM(In reply to this)
Keep begging for release big boy…keep begging
Sergio-bodybuildermuscle (2 )
4/05/2023 6:46 PM(In reply to this)
It’s why we love wrestling and domination
Sergio-bodybuildermuscle (2 )
4/05/2023 4:07 PM(In reply to this)
Very painfull
Lkn4awrestletoy (107 )
4/05/2023 3:56 PMShort arm scissors and all it’s varied combinations…no escape, jobbers!!!
AtlantaSleeper (14)
4/05/2023 1:42 PMOf course I love the sleeper. But enjoy punishing with the mandible claw and other nerve hold I have in my bag of painful holds.
Lkn4awrestletoy (107 )
6/15/2023 9:33 AM(In reply to this)
ALL sleepers…nothing quite like a jobber bowl of jello deeply snoring sprawled out before me…
redlandguy (196)
4/04/2023 11:29 PMthe one that makes you tap. i am not sentimental.
Sergio-bodybuildermuscle (2 )
4/03/2023 8:07 PMFor more fun I wants to I trieuse the abdominal stretch / if well executed. … you could make some damages
kcjobberboy (0)
4/13/2021 4:25 PMCamel/sleeper.
Lkn4awrestletoy (107 )
6/15/2023 9:35 AM(In reply to this)
Oh yes indeed, I’d forgotten that gem…I’ll stop on my next trip to St. Louis and oblige you, jobber boy.
Wrestletowrestle (29)
4/12/2021 6:42 PMI agree with greekwrestler on the north south
greekwrestler (75)
4/12/2021 5:32 PMnorth south choke is the best
mabbs (0)
4/13/2021 12:54 PM(In reply to this)
North south choke
wrestler251 (6 )
4/12/2021 12:12 PMi think in pro style full nellson will be my best hold
kcjobberboy (0)
9/26/2020 7:43 PMThis jobbers favorite hold is a tight camel/sleeper, but then I love being punished in all holds and moves! :)
submissive50uk (8)
9/26/2020 5:22 AMfantastic sleeper!
tarson (14)
9/25/2020 5:45 PMLkn4awrestletoy (107 )
6/15/2023 9:38 AM(In reply to this)
Camel sleeper is so f’ing erotically powerful…sleep well muscled jobber…
Louie (8 )
4/04/2023 11:58 AM(In reply to this)
Nice video. Give it to him
InkedRican (31)
9/23/2020 6:13 AMI enjoy the guillotine. It's an excellent choke hold. It works well from standing or from knees (parre terre). It's very efficient with your right forearm pressed against his neck (jugular) while your right bicep flexes thereby pressing against his other jugular on his neck. For added pressure if applying the hold while standing, a slight hip pop in the forward direction will finish him off (force the tap-out, or knock him out). Like i said , it's efficient.
Ken1964 (9)
9/26/2020 6:37 PM(In reply to this)
Would like to see a demonstration
BJJWrestlerLasVegas (14)
9/23/2020 11:22 AM(In reply to this)
I agree, a very effective choke and flexing while applying it makes it work perfectly.
pro style kris (0)
9/22/2020 2:40 PMthe step over toehold is my favourite
BillyTheKidUSA (4)
9/21/2020 7:20 PMThe Boston Crab
Sergio-bodybuildermuscle (2 )
4/03/2023 7:59 PM(In reply to this)
Oh yes Boston is one of the best hold / pain and expose opponent weakness
halndallas (6)
9/20/2020 10:45 PMalways enjoyed getting locked up in tight nelsons or any other holds stretching my torso. Cradles are nice too .
slamitdown (0)
9/09/2020 5:09 PMOTKBackbreker–work his body hard–then toss him off onto the mat,=== ass up–Standing Surfboard SUBMISSION
Mat1510 (1 )
9/19/2020 10:18 AM(In reply to this)
Nice fella, would like to see that. Want to apply a Surfboard Submission Hold and then drop the neck and apply a Dragon Sleeper!
Bandrews812002 (0)
9/19/2020 6:16 AM(In reply to this)
Sounds rough! That’d hurt so much, especially from someone of your stature
FightGames (27 )
9/01/2020 6:55 AMGRAPEVINE
nicely spread on the guy
TX bull (21 )
9/07/2020 10:11 PM(In reply to this)
Nice and allows for lots of control too
Mat1510 (1 )
9/08/2020 4:47 PM(In reply to this)
Especially using the knees to exert more leverage and pressure!
Mat1510 (1 )
9/01/2020 2:07 AMBoston Crab
BillyTheKidUSA (4)
9/21/2020 7:20 PM(In reply to this)
Yeah, I love the Boston Crab, too!
Bandrews812002 (0)
9/19/2020 6:07 AM(In reply to this)
That’s really painful!
kcjobberboy (0)
7/06/2020 2:00 AMMy favorite finishing hold to be put in is camel/sleeper.
Wrestletowrestle (29)
7/05/2020 8:31 PMNorth south when clamped on right is tap or nap very quickly. Happy to show you mine
jimmyterrific (57)
9/23/2020 5:50 AM(In reply to this)
Will you show me sometime
FightGames (27 )
7/06/2020 8:51 PM(In reply to this)
yes show it
BJJWrestlerLasVegas (14)
7/05/2020 9:57 PM(In reply to this)
I agree, I started using it as an alternative t when I could not get an arm triangle, using it even in gi. When it is safe would love to practice these techniques with any resident or visitor to Las Vegas. I find it harder to get right than the arm triangle but once i get it and flex as applying it the tap usually comes fast.
Wrestletowrestle (29)
7/05/2020 5:35 PMTriangle a great effective hold though I still prefer the north south
Iwreslinca (31 )
7/05/2020 8:17 PM(In reply to this)
North/South is amazingly effective!
matteorinaldi94 (0)
7/05/2020 5:32 PMTriangle choke.
BJJWrestlerLasVegas (14)
9/27/2020 11:19 AM(In reply to this)
Excellent choice, wins a lotbof mma and ufc contests.
greekwrestler (75)
7/08/2020 7:32 PM(In reply to this)
u got stong legs man think u can submit me in triangle choke??
Lkn4awrestletoy (107 )
6/15/2023 9:42 AM(In reply to this)
If he can’t I’ll be happy to oblige you, Greek boy!!!
Tagos (30 )
5/07/2020 4:32 PM100 percent kimura
HokieMountaineer (2)
5/24/2018 7:36 AMDepends on whether I'm applying or receiving. I've won matches with arm bars. Two holds I like, that I've both won and lost with, are sleepers and headscissors/triangle chokes. And when wrestling as a good guy/babyface in pro matches, being placed in a bear hug can be fun.
Spruceman (55 )
4/14/2018 4:29 PMOnly have a few. Need to find some guys who can come over to my matroom and teach me some more for my arsenal of holds/tactics
LucatielofMirrah (0 )
5/21/2018 7:30 AM(In reply to this)
Triangle choke.
Chokemeout69 (0)
4/12/2018 3:12 AMLove being caught in a lotus hold.total humiliation
Wrestletowrestle (29)
4/12/2018 3:34 AM(In reply to this)
What is a lotus hold?
Chokemeout69 (0)
4/12/2018 3:37 AM(In reply to this)
When you sit on an opponent's back and scissor their arms with your legs
Wrestletowrestle (29)
4/12/2018 3:41 AM(In reply to this)
I. See. I mainly do real bjj holds
Ken1964 (9)
5/22/2018 8:35 AM(In reply to this)
BJJ rules, I’ve been learning that lately
IndyWarrior (39)
10/24/2015 4:33 PMMy favorite submissions are whatever he leaves himself open for. :-) But my "go to"s are:
From guard - triangle choke, omoplata, kimura, guillotine, arm triangle (yes, it works)
From top half - americana (yes, really), kimura, arm triangle (in the context of transitioning to side mount)
From side mount - americana, kimura (noticing a theme? LOL)
From bottom half - are you kidding? transition out!
Full mount - gift wrap transition to back mount
Back mount - rnc, transition to kimura-grip armbar, triangle choke
There you go, gents; my whole game. 'Ware the kimura.
BJJWrestlerLasVegas (14)
7/05/2020 10:01 PM(In reply to this)
I like the "mousetrap" series as it gives you 3submissions from a similar setup, if his arm is like the statue of liberty, the Americana if at 90 degrees to the body the straight arm lock, and if facing towards his legs (bent elbow), the kimura.
fig4headscizzor (0 )
2/07/2016 12:35 PM(In reply to this)
Mine us my fig4 headscissors sleeper
Stevienye71 (1)
2/07/2016 3:01 PM(In reply to this)
Awesome! wish I could experience your wayof doing it
GrappleBear (7 )
2/07/2016 1:52 PM(In reply to this)
nothing gets much hotter than passing out whilst getting a faceful of a guy's bulge!
kcjobberboy (0)
11/24/2015 2:54 AM(In reply to this)
This total jobber in the Kansas City, MO area would love to have you guillotine and triangle choke me.
Keith
KCJobberboy
IndyWarrior (39)
11/29/2015 10:16 PM(In reply to this)
Sorry, buddy... I think your description of yourself as a total jobber makes it clear we wouldn't make a good match. However, I do wish for you many awesome matches with guys whose styles match yours well! :-)
greekwrestler (75)
11/12/2015 9:04 PM(In reply to this)
i challeneg u
IndyWarrior (39)
11/29/2015 10:14 PM(In reply to this)
Great. Come to Indy and we'll roll.
redlandguy (196)
11/08/2015 4:02 PM(In reply to this)
Have to agree with most of these... with a few exceptions that reflect my body type and game:
Bottom half... if the opponent underhooks, armbar that arm (might work, but even if it doesn't, it makes it hard to flatten you if he is afraid of it.) I like bottom half.
IndyWarrior (39)
11/08/2015 4:15 PM(In reply to this)
Nice!
Also, we CLEARLY need to roll, brother. ;-)
redlandguy (196)
11/08/2015 4:28 PM(In reply to this)
when and where :)
you look like a great match
BJJWrestlerLasVegas (14)
10/24/2015 8:43 PM(In reply to this)
I agree with the arm triangle from guard, it does work! Nice to see real holds and moves now showing in this thread instead of the "pro" junk and scripted nonsense moves.
Wrestletowrestle (29)
9/02/2015 11:02 PMNorth South Choke, triangle , rear naked
BJJWrestlerLasVegas (14)
9/14/2015 3:40 AM(In reply to this)
we have a lot in common and should practice with each other
BJJWrestlerLasVegas (14)
9/05/2015 8:47 PM(In reply to this)
Arm triangle, N/S, RNC, if allowed twister, Darce (Brabo)
GrappleBear (7 )
8/31/2015 9:38 AMnothing hotter than a well executed figure 4 leglock! Please log in to view gallery photos.
tokyo fighter (0)
2/26/2018 5:28 AM(In reply to this)
you are right...fig 4 leg lock is awesome...and love to take it ...
Stevienye71 (1)
1/20/2016 9:11 AM(In reply to this)
awesome hold! love to watch the person receiving really beg to release it. and watching the giver, just squeeze it on and watch that smile of alpha. Never done or been but want to try
wre2wre (6)
7/01/2015 8:09 AMmainly the Finnishing moves like headscissors or, bodyscissors,
BaldOregonWrestler (0)
9/16/2015 10:49 AM(In reply to this)
Head scissors is hot; send any shots: [email protected]
Bob in OR
dc5wrestler (3)
9/15/2014 9:43 PMI love to see a guy slap on the banana split. Painful hold. But when it's slapped on a tough guy who refuses to quit and it's held for a long time. ..that's great!!!
BJJWrestlerLasVegas (14)
7/05/2020 10:17 PM(In reply to this)
Do u also use the related moves that u can switch to from the banana
split such as the electric chair, the spladle, twister (wrestling guillotine), and the truck. I find switching back and forth to these quite effective.
greekwrestler (75)
11/12/2015 9:05 PM(In reply to this)
think u can sub me in this?
BJJWrestlerLasVegas (14)
11/07/2015 9:49 AM(In reply to this)
Have you considered the truck?
greekwrestler (75)
9/17/2015 8:44 PM(In reply to this)
i aggree woof
wressinglet (16)
9/01/2015 5:32 AM(In reply to this)
Do you like use a banana split?
Sambofrance (6)
9/02/2015 6:19 AM(In reply to this)
J'adore retenir mon adversaire ainsi.
J'apprécie de tenir sa jambes entre les miennes et l'autre dans mes bras.
Plié ainsi ; il a du mal à s'en sortir
Submissionmaster (0)
9/16/2014 4:59 PM(In reply to this)
sounds like most of my matches with my local buddies. All tough guys but when we wrestle or have serious matches I always end up manhandling them. Chokes, slaps and some roughhousing are my magic recipe to tame strong guys. I wish there were more guys from this site in the Caribbean.
MadGT (230 )
6/03/2014 8:29 PMTriangle choke, kimura armbar and chicken wing crossface hold...
Wrestletowrestle (29)
9/14/2015 3:35 AM(In reply to this)
Isn't the chicken wing crossface a pro hold not a true sub hold?
MadGT (230 )
9/18/2015 12:42 AM(In reply to this)
you can use it in both ways.. I did and it's amazing.. ur opponent is helpless in that position
Wrestletowrestle (29)
9/18/2015 3:54 AM(In reply to this)
You can try to show me
Wrestlingwscissors (0)
6/02/2014 3:26 PMAny headscissors, bodyscissors, and triangle choke
Fighting91 (3)
6/02/2014 11:47 AMTriangle Chokes and Headscissors are surely the most effective and my favourite ones as well :)
sadia33 (0)
2/25/2018 11:43 AM(In reply to this)
I would love to be trapped in a long held face in crotch head scissors, and face sit me to sub and if I
do sub keep me in until either I passout or I tap out like 12 times.
Stevienye71 (1)
1/20/2016 9:13 AM(In reply to this)
Triangle choke is really bad ass! watching the worry in the takers eyes is awesome, really making the giver feeling superior. Gonna hve to try this and perfect it
WrestoBG (51)
4/01/2014 12:36 PMKata gatame (arm triangle or whatever is called), legs triangle headlock, choke holds...
SileX (207 )
4/01/2014 1:14 PM(In reply to this)
You sir have a great taste in your holds :)
WrestoBG (51)
4/01/2014 1:21 PM(In reply to this)
Or more specificly all holds that would make someone tap on the mat lol.
sammy novicewrestler (6 )
3/31/2014 9:41 PMI like the kimura
Hardmatch (99)
3/22/2014 8:02 PMI have wrestled for submissions in past matches (not promission or pro fantasy - both were trying to defeat the other)and the camel clutch has been applied by and to me without it being a pro style match or pretend. While I understand where some of these serious submission wrestlers are coming from, some of their comments are inaccurate and border on snobbish. I even saw a competitive MMA match a few months ago where a version of a Boston crab was used for a submission. These holds be used rarely in MMA/grappling but they are submission holds.
str8warrior (1)
3/22/2014 11:46 AMTriangle choke is my favorite. In this choke I can usually see and gauge the amount of pressure/pain by the look on my opponent's face and the color of his face. Also, it feels dominant to have his head in my lap.
Stevienye71 (1)
11/19/2015 10:53 AM(In reply to this)
very true and nice.... would love to try this give and take
jayboy0204 (19)
2/10/2014 1:54 PMCamel clutch is the hold I love to apply with a Sleeper variant
Stevienye71 (1)
11/19/2015 10:55 AM(In reply to this)
This is the hosttest and best move I think ever!!!!! would so love to experience in give and take and video it
Sturdy (31)
2/11/2014 6:35 PM(In reply to this)
jayboy0204, Camel Clutch is NOT A SUBMISSION WRESTLING TECHNIQUE.
For the love of God will you guys please
GO
TO
A
FETISH
GROUP
HokieMountaineer (2)
5/24/2018 7:32 AM(In reply to this)
I weigh around 160. Wrestled a guy who weighs at least 230, probably more. He applied a camel clutch. He went completely shoot(real). I guarantee I was tapping in less than 15 seconds!
tna fan (4)
9/06/2015 4:57 PM(In reply to this)
Camel clutch isnt fetish eather.... its a pro wrestling move not fetish xD
untouchable1 (12)
2/11/2014 10:28 PM(In reply to this)
People may make the mistake of putting it in this thread. I for one look at the thread title, not the category, as I guess many others have with his one. Whilst camel sleepers, for example, are not how you would define 'submission hold,' It IS classed as a hold in pro-mission, give and take, pro, and many more. Instead of being quite rude, why don't you suggest a different group on where they can discuss said holds. And for some, camel sleeps are not a fetish, quite a few like that style of wrestling and are straight, or pro wrestlers. Gary
BJJWrestlerLasVegas (14)
9/05/2015 8:45 PM(In reply to this)
The problem is that "pr": wrestling is not wrestling entertainment. It is preplanned, choregraphed, and not real. Yes you need to be athletic as do all stunt men, but it is so obviously fake. Thrashing a guy in a "sleeper" and taking close to a minute to put him out and then he stays out still on the mat for a while, It doesn't happen that way. sleeper takes seconds to work, and sometimes the person jumps around (convulses) especially if not released right away. This "entertainment" has given real wrestling a very bad name I am glad the group owner is keeping this out of the group.
Sturdy (31)
2/11/2014 10:30 PM(In reply to this)
See all the groups here: http://www.meetfighters.com/groups/_by-update
prosubsladuk (8)
9/15/2013 3:11 PMMy favourite is the single leg boston, it was the first hold I learned, it's easy to do and very enjoyable :)
Sturdy (31)
2/02/2014 3:57 AM(In reply to this)
This thread is about SUBMISSION WRESTLING, not pro/pretend/fetish play.
Wrestledad (81 )
9/02/2015 5:57 PM(In reply to this)
Sorry, but the single leg boston is a very real and effective submission hold. I have used it in many competitive submission matches and I have seen it taught in Krav Maga. You can apply it by starting from a standing achilles ankle lock which forces the opponent to lift his hips to take pressure off his ankle. It is then very easy to flip them onto their stomach and sit down to apply the single leg boston.
Once on, the hold is very effective and painful and it can be easily used to control or submit a much larger/stronger opponent.
sbplooser (0)
7/13/2012 8:07 AMAbout schoolboy and facesit pin in erotic men wrestle: I liked the facesit or schoolboy pin since my coming out (to notice I am bi, I also like men) in my youth (with about 16 years old): If the winner sits on the losers chest with his knees on his arms, the loser has almost no chance to get out, the winner can humilate and dominate the loser with words, also with scenes like raising arms, flexing and victory pose, or even strangle loser cause winner has his hands free (if losers arms are good pinned by winners knees).
The winner can force the loser to suck his dick while pinned, the winner can reach back and jerk the loser. Also good variation is reverse pin, winner sitting with his ass in front of or even on losers face, and in that positing loser has no chance if winner jerks him, loser has to cum. As I am bi, and my wife also likes me to wrestle other guys for her, schoolboy pin is a perfect way to win: she can come over and jerk and even suck the winners dick right in front of losers face, THAT is humilating. I think, and my wife also, schoolboy pin is the ONLY good hold to WIN...... Please log in to view gallery photos.
BJJWrestlerLasVegas (14)
11/24/2015 8:12 AM(In reply to this)
Are u the one on top..nice muscular body!
wressinglet (16)
7/06/2012 10:21 PMMy best to be and apply are head and bodyscissors. I like bein in a reverse headscissors watching the other guy's ass flex when he squeezes.
SileX (207 )
7/03/2012 9:54 PMI really wish people stopped posting their favorite "pro" holds here. :/
ringer69 (0)
6/29/2012 7:15 PMdefinitely the surfboard, sometimes a face sit is also nice ;-)
untouchable1 (12)
5/17/2012 4:08 PMCamel Clutch and Boston Crabs are a favourite to be in, but when I try bearhugs, sleepers and racks, I'm sure it'll change :)
sparring buddy (7)
5/17/2012 6:17 AMRear naked choke while having the back :)
You can 'tease' the guy to submit coz there's almost no way out(unless your formally trained). Please log in to view gallery photos.
Good looker (0)
2/26/2020 7:02 AM(In reply to this)
Luvly hold. U can feel their bum go limp as u put em 2sleep laying on it
LottaPalermo (16 )
5/12/2012 8:53 AMLove Boston crabs and beahugs... these are my fav ojnes
Random Grappler (0)
4/12/2012 2:17 AMMy favorite would have to be the sleeper. First time I used it was on my cousin. We were both 14, and he had challenged me before, but being fitter than me made it a challenge to beat him. This time though I just tackled him straight to the ground. After only a short tussle I had him locked in and tapping. It's also always been fun to try and escape.
Second would have to be the triangle. I've only done it once, but I got lucky that a friend of mine didn't think I could pull it off. That was the quickest tap I've ever had.
MattMelia (18)
2/17/2012 12:38 PMTriangle Choke, gogoplata, arm bars and americanas are my most effective submissions, have a few others i like but those are my best, flashy variants such as the flying armbar are also a speciality
mrider (2)
2/15/2012 11:04 PMcamels with full control and muscle buttride! Please log in to view gallery photos.
mrider (2)
2/15/2012 11:03 PMthe camel clutch or full nelson riding my opponents ass and grinding hard !! Please log in to view gallery photos.
MucledFighterUS (0)
8/12/2011 3:56 PMFinish my opponent with the Guilotine.
rasslcub (0)
6/22/2011 1:23 AMmine is the double armbar with a figure-4 head pin! Am very upset that recently it was made an illegal move in high school competition. So many high school wrestlers liked to use this move to devastating effect! Very very sad indeed. Stupid ruling..... Please log in to view gallery photos.
greekwrestler (75)
9/17/2015 8:49 PM(In reply to this)
love thos hold
headscissorloser2 (0)
4/09/2011 3:41 PMany type of headscissors or bodyscissors hold
The Beast (46 )
4/05/2011 6:57 PMBeing so humiliated, the opponent gives...
dfeetffm (3)
4/05/2011 6:24 PMAgree to jeunesoumis
- probably not the best moves to reach a submission but good to rub it in if the other is not able to escape anymore...
The Beast (46 )
4/04/2011 4:07 PMall holds where you are trapped with your head close to your opponent's armpits, thighs, butt or cock... especially facesit, facepin, figure 4 headlock, headscissor, etc... it shows who is the Master!
nypython (11)
4/01/2011 5:30 PMMy favorite number one hold is the side bodyscissor. If applied correctly,you can really squeeze down on your opponent without exerting much strength. I have very strong legs. Once I have it locked on another guy, I can squeeze him till he either passes out or submits!
kurrt2005 (0)
2/07/2014 3:50 AM(In reply to this)
nypython sounds like his name with his very strong legs slowly squeeeezing the life from his prey.
Frenchfighter2 (5)
3/20/2011 11:26 AMMy favourite hold is the leg sleeper. I am resistant but as a jobber I like being trapped into the legs of my opponents and slowly sleepered. Has any one any experience in leg sleepers ? Please log in to view gallery photos.
colwrestle (7)
4/22/2014 9:53 AM(In reply to this)
FIGURE FOUR LEG SLEEPER!!This move looks great but I find it hard to get oponent in the right position to apply. The guy here makes it look so easy, anybody got any tips on how to apply?
ENetArch (3)
9/02/2015 8:31 PM(In reply to this)
There is another version of the figure 4 arm triangle from the back that appears to be the same. It is easier to get to, but I'm assuming that the setup is the same.
Starting from the Back, with both hooks in, and a seat belt grip across your opponents chest.
Grab your opponents wrist and trap it under one of your legs.
Slide your leg up to your opponents neck and hold it there by grabbing your ankle with your same side hand over his shoulder. (ie .. left foot used, left hand used)
This should trap your opponents arm above his head.
Next lock your knee over your ankle, and squeeze.
...
I assume that the leg triangle is a similar setup to this, by trapping the arms below the legs, either one at a time or both. This would leave your opposite side hand free to grab your ankle while you lock your knee into place.
jayboy0204 (19)
2/10/2014 1:52 PM(In reply to this)
Hot photo x
CDS (9)
1/25/2011 1:46 PM@ pecs44
Have a look at this website:
http://www.hkmma.com/SubHolds/
I have tried to include examples of every practical submission hold.
My own favourite is the rear naked choke. This is a video capture of me getting a submission with it!
pecs44 (58 )
12/30/2010 12:02 AMI've had the best results from the armbar, but am always looking for new ways to make my opponents submit. Can anyone direct me to some decent videos that might show various holds?
liketowrestle (116)
12/10/2010 5:13 AMMy Favorite Hold is Definitely the Arm Bar!
Enjoy many variants of the Arm Bar mainly to feel the Bicep of My Opponent Resisting as I Hold the Arm Bar for the Muscle Strain! (Not so much interested in the joint lock here)
First one is the Good old Standard Arm Bar, Opponent on his Back Arm Set Between Legs and My Arms Across His Wrist! Than "hang" My Upper Body weight back as His Bicep Strains to do sort of an Arm Curl as he is Resisting!
Another Arm Bar I really Love is an Inverted Arm Bar Resistance Hold! This one is where my opponent is face down on the mats Arm Out, Palm Down and Crook of the Elbow up say 10 Inches off the Mat! Than I cross Mount Him with My Pelvis on his Tricep Muscle, Legs "hanging" on either Side of His Forearm and Wrist and Chest Across His Back! His Goal is to Resist as Long as He Can While Bearing My Wight!
NOTE! Be Very Careful with Either one of these as not to put your Opponent in any Danger of hyper extending their Elbow! Do all movements safely and slowly! By being Safe I have had A LOT of Fun and No Injuries to me or My Opponents! Please log in to view gallery photos.
wrestlefannl2 (9)
12/07/2010 11:27 AMmy fav. hold is the figure 4 headlock, not often aplied it but i love to put my opponent in it ;) Pic is not mine Please log in to view gallery photos.
SileX (207 )
12/07/2010 8:07 AMI was training yesterday and am once again reinforced that the triangle choke is my favorite :)
There actually is a third variation that I missed before (the first two being from the guard position and from the mount position)! The one I missed is called inverted triangle choke and is harder to apply than the other two because you need to get behind your opponent first, either sitting behind the opponent, or sitting on his back. Assuming that you're pinning him face down, you need to work the (e.g.) right leg under the chin and the left shoulder, hook it under your left knee, and then apply pressure. A LOT of pressure :) Please log in to view gallery photos.
donphoenix (13)
12/01/2010 1:40 PMMy favourite hold to be punished in is the body scissors. I think this stems from an experience when I was about 20 years old. I was going camping for a week at Steenbras Dam which supplies Cape Town with water. I invited the son of a neighbour to join me and he accepted my offer. He was four or five years my junior and I had ignored him as we grew up but he was then in a particularly muscular stage of development as he cycled everywhere, played rugby and so on.
During our week together I told him that I had just started training with weights at a local gym and was also going to learn to wrestle there. He took me by surprise and caught me in a body scissors. As I had not yet acquired any wrestling skills I didn't know how to escape from between his muscular thighs but he let me go when he said he saw my face turn blue.
Ever since then I am in ecstasy when caught in a body scissors between a pair of muscular legs.
Many years later a friend who was much bigger than me had me in a body scissors to my delight but after a while I submitted. He didn't let go. I said to him, "I've submitted. I've had enough" to which he replied, "Yes, but I haven't had enough"! This, I discovered, escalated my enjoyment to double ecstasy. Why? Perhaps because I was in a real fight situation rather than a game where I could turn the suffering off when I wanted to.
My favourite holds to apply on opponents are: the body scissors (of course), the Indian Deathlock (because it poses so many possibilities) and the double figure-four leg-lock because most opponents submit even before the hold is fully applied. LOL Yes, I'm sado-masochistic.
donphoenix (13)
12/01/2010 1:21 PMI think it would be most helpful if members describing new variations of holds could accompany their descriptions with photos of the stated stages of applying the hold. I find it difficult to visualise the descriptions without seeing the move at the same time. Nowadays with so many mobile phones having cameras built-in and pocket cameras it should not be difficult to do. It may present problems to the web-master, but not insoluble problems.
boine (115 )
11/23/2010 7:22 PMThere is a third variant on the triangle.
Guy that is getting choked out is able to defend, and pulls trapped arm out. Head is still trapped. I end up in this position frequently.
The guy who applies the triangle then uses his arm and grabs his own leg behind opponents neck, and applies a very uncomfy thight choke with arm and one leg. Other leg can even let go, but choke gets thighter if that legs stays in.
By the way, my favourite is the rear naked choke. Once applied no way out :) Thats submission wrestling to me! Besides, I was lucky enough to win my first "official" fight with that hold! Makes it my Number one!
GrapplingHB (353 )
11/23/2010 9:23 AMSile: You am right, I read your text not correct
SileX (207 )
11/22/2010 8:41 PMGrapplingHB: That's actually the second variation. I don't see the difference. Am I missing something?
GrapplingHB (353 )
11/22/2010 1:32 PMMy favorite hold is also the triangle choke. I know a 3rd possibilitie, to get it. You can get it also from the mount position, if you take one leg under the head of your partner and lock it down with your other leg. It`s easy to lock it while you sweap him in the same time.
And I love the mata leon (anaconda choke) from the back mount.
NJWoodbridge (140)
11/22/2010 2:29 AMI love arm bars - especially when I realize I have the opportunity to apply one when I least expect to be able to. For example, the last unusual application (unusual to me anyway) was from a mount. Someone I had managed to get opponent's right arm behind my knee; I sat back on his abs and pulled the arm stretched out (somewhat crushing the arm). From this position, I lifted my left foot up a bit so that toes were on my opponent, just to the left of his groin. This had the effect of lifting my lower left leg a bit (at least at an angle as my knee was still on the mat). I then just pushed the guy's outstretched right arm down, leverage over the back of my lower left leg. Arm bar! Submission.
SileX (207 )
11/19/2010 4:18 PMAt the risk of looking like I'm talking to myself, I'll answer my own question. :)
My favorite technique is the triangle choke. It's a great hold, not very easy to apply, but once properly applied, it is even harder to escape. I can do two basic variations: one from the guard (when I'm on my back and have the other guy held between my legs) and one from the mount.
Sometimes it's actually easier to apply it from the guard when the other guy tries to pass your guard by pushing one of your legs over his head. The proper time is when your leg is past his shoulder, but not his head yet. If you manage to catch him at the right time, the hold basically applies himself. :)
SileX (207 )
11/19/2010 2:37 PMJust a first topic to start off this Interest Group!
The question to all would-be members of my group is:
Can you remember a time when you applied it that was somehow special to you?